Hack & Grow Rich Episode 112: Feeling Stuck? Get Free w/Darwin Shaw

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people, darwin, bart, daniel craig, film, humility, rhino, feel, big, career, called, doctor, life, acting, actor, shaheen, friends, podcasts, fan club, book

Bart Baggett  00:06

Hey guys, welcome back. This is hack and Grow Rich, the podcast. My name is Bart Baggett, I'm the CO pilot in this conversation. It's really conscious about your mind, money, wealth, and finding true happiness. And the genius behind this podcast is the Amazon mastery course author and author of the book billion Shaahin Cheyene. Now in this episode, we're gonna talk about and take a deep dive into the concept of getting yourself unstuck at critical points in your life. I guess I call them inflection points, you know, crossroads in the desert. Which way did you go? And you're in for a real big treat tonight because not only we have me and Shaheen, but we have a literally global acting superstar on our show. Actor Darwin Shaw. Before we get to our great guests, Shane, just give me your 62nd overview about this idea of being unstuck you made a post. So get a lot of engagement, people care about how you make these critical decisions. Yeah, look, I think especially now, and by the way, guys, Bart being the co-host here. amazing success and motivational author, successful on many levels, and always, always honored to do the show with you, Bart, and Darwin. Dr. Shah, we will get into that welcome on the show, we will introduce you in a moment. So yeah, I mean, look, I think especially now coming out of COVID, one of the things that I'm hearing a lot from people is that they just feel stuck, right? Maybe pre COVID. They felt stuck in their lives, in their careers, in their, you know, relationships, whatever's going on. And now they feel even more stuck, right? Maybe they were in a job, and now they're working from home. And it's even more monotonous than that. I mean, for fuck sake, we've been going through nearly two years of Groundhog's Day, right? I didn't know for the last like six months, which day was fucking Wednesday, I would wake up and be like, Oh, my God, every day is the same. Right? We've all been stuck to our couches stuck to our houses. And I am sure that people feel stuck. And I mean, I know from time to time I don't really feel that way anymore because I've got systems in place to kind of get around that. But I think this is going to be a really engaging conversation that's going to really, you know, take us to you know, something about, you know, what happens when you feel stuck in life? And you know, what, what do you do? Right? And more importantly, how do you make sure that you win, when you have that kind of a feeling? You know, just you know, I don't know that you can guarantee the outcome. If you're standing in a crossroads in the desert, both options look scary, or both options look good. And I think both of us have had multiple careers. I think I have four right now that I can count as different businesses. And yeah, if one failed the other pickup, but there were times in my life that it was all or nothing, it was red or black and I had to make a decision. Do I move? Do I leave this woman do I not and I think those are the critical pieces we're talking about, not just out of COVID. But what makes you thoroughly happy and it leads right into our guest who, to me, Darwin, you made one of the biggest decisions of your life and it paid off. That's what's so incredible. So Shaheen, introduce our amazing guests. And let's get down to some cool information about someone who really figured it out. Well, I think for our viewers, we got a little video and for you guys, we'll include a link to the show so you guys can see this. So this striking young man here is Dr. Darwin, Sean, we will get down to why he goes by Dr. Or maybe does not anymore.

Shaahin Cheyene  03:51

So let's see. And so for you guys who are watching, I think I cut the audio on this. This is a scene from the James Bond film Casino Royale. And we've got Daniel Craig, kind of looking at Darwin with a menacing look following him into a door and there goes Darwin, I think there's a game of cricket or rugby, one, one or the other. And Darwin's running up the stairs. Daniel Craig is staring at him. And this is actually such an awesome scene. He runs into a locker room and knocks the guy down. And now he pulls out a gun. And there we go. And now he's got a gun and Daniel Craig. There he is James Bond. Wow. Wow. And there's Darwin getting pushed into a bathroom stall and getting punched in the face. Oh, no. Looks like you almost got to choke on Daniel Craig. And Nope. You just can't be James Bond. I knew this wasn't going to go well. And that is I think one of the scenes that Really ignited Darwin's career. Darwin Shah, welcome to the show. But you got to unmute yourself. There we go. And welcome to the show. honor to have you on. Thank you so much for having me, guys. So tell us about this scene. This is your first big acting break, and you get the first scene of the new James Bond, and you get killed. That's a cool way to start a career. Yeah, I think my love for my early work ended up being killed in different ways.

Darwin Shaw  05:33

So the game was always like, how long into the movie Could I get before I died? And I think Bond was dead within six minutes. I think I eventually got to, like 26 minutes.

Shaahin Cheyene  05:46

Wow, what's it? What's it feel like to, you know, be starting I mean, I'm, we'll go into your history. But what's it feel like to kind of have humble beginnings, you know, come from normal family life, you know. And then all of a sudden, one day wake up and you are on the set with Daniel Craig James Bond himself, as the lead bad guy in Casino Royale

Darwin Shaw  06:13

wasn't really leading that guy, but I was definitely the first kill. It was sort of the introduction scene to James Bond. It was surreal. I mean, you work. I mean, anyone who's involved in the creative world knows, and probably the same with entrepreneurs like yourself, you put in a lot of work and you never know where it's going to pay off. And, you know, acting is a very personal thing, because you're putting yourself, you know, if people don't like us, not because your product sucks, or because you know, you, your thing doesn't work properly. It's very personal. So when you get this opportunity, I mean, I was, it was quite early on in my career. So I didn't know then what I know now, which is what a privilege it was. I mean, I knew it was an amazing thing. But after, you know, 15 years later, of going through all the journey as an actor, I look back and, you know, it's mind-blowing that you can just suddenly step out of drama school, and within a year and a half you, you know, in Prague in the snow working with stunt guys, and suddenly 100 people around you they hand you a gun. And all the training you've done in the past month suddenly has to be spot on in that next, you know, three hours.

Shaahin Cheyene  07:35

Yeah, I know that you're a very dedicated person. I know you may have been friends for many years. And I remember early Darwin Shar when you went by your former name and you know, you were staying at my house in Venice, and you know, just living the young actor life. But let's, let's roll back even a little bit more from there before. You were in James Bond before you got that amazing role in Prince of Persia before you had one of the starring roles in the Bible before all these great hits before the house of cards that you were in with Robin Penn and you know, really crushed that, by the way. But before all that, I understand you went to medical school?

Darwin Shaw  08:22

Yeah, so I grew up in a northern city, Leeds, a great town in the north of England, and got admission to London King's College. And I spent seven years training as a doctor and starting working, actually, for a few years before I had this very big life change and completely changed career.

Shaahin Cheyene  08:48

What happened? I mean, were you like, you, presumably you did a lot of schooling. Right. And I know that you're half Pakistani by origin and half British. And if Pakistani parents or anything like Persian parents, that is the highest level of achievement is becoming a doctor or a lawyer, but a doctor is higher, right? Because then you're going to get all the good wife, you're going to get all the good, every you're going to be rescued, you have brought honor to your family.

Darwin Shaw  09:20

Well, I mean, I think that was definitely in there on some level. But I don't know my grandfather, my mother's side, he was supposed to be a doctor and he became a priest instead. And on my father's side, I did have some sort of alternative medicine doctor in my family. But for me, I'd always wanted to make a difference. And I felt, you know, I came from a very sort of, you know, socially orientated family. My mother was a teacher, and a social worker. My dad was a teacher working with special needs kids, and we also ran a family newspaper Which was like a community newspaper. So we were very involved with trying to make a difference. So it was very natural for me to fall into that sort of caring role. And, you know, I was fortunate enough to have that great opportunity, the educational system in England allows that to happen, you know, you don't have to go bankrupt in order to go to university. And, you know, I was very privileged to have that education and, and to that training.

Shaahin Cheyene  10:32

But okay, so you got that education, you got that training, you did all that stuff. And then you were like, I'm out guys, I'm gonna go and do the least, you went from the most secure, most respected job to I mean, I think the only thing that could have been less than telling a, you know, parent from, you know, a culture like, as ours would be, you know, I don't know that you're going to be an artist or a ballerina, something like I think those two would be the only two things lower, right?

Bart Baggett  11:08

I mean, if status was something that really drives you, there, and I had a friend who went that route, she was an attorney, she made tons of money. And at 33, she went, I can't do it anymore, I can't work 18 hours, I need a social life, I'm miserable. She quit everything, just started buying up real estate. So she just made a huge left turn. But at 33. At what age did you decide that this just wasn't your path? And how did you find that making a difference was still part of that equation as an actor?

Darwin Shaw  11:36

Well, I think one of the things which are very important is representation. I think, when I was growing up, there was no one who looked like me on screen. And I found a lot of kids who sort of would be following people who were not from their culture and falling into bad ways, because there was no one who they could aspire to. So I felt there was a, you know, I hope that there was something which I could bring to the to the film industry, which would be something which will, which, you know, young people will be able to see and aspire to, because I never had that I only I only knew, you know, the Roger Moore's and the, and the color is, and they're wonderful, wonderful actors, but for me, I felt was a significant potential that I might be able to fill. And, you know, I still don't think I've achieved that. I've been part of the movement. And they've been many wonderful actors out there who have done that.

Shaahin Cheyene  12:37

Yeah, I mean, look, I got it back.

Bart Baggett  12:40

I was just wondering, how do you walk away from security, because as a doctor, you're making money, you're obviously busy. And the odds of you making it in Hollywood are, you know, somewhat zeroed out to one in a million? What does that take me back? How did you make that decision? Did you consult your buddies? Did you consult your parents like that's a huge term?

Darwin Shaw  13:00

Well, I've also had a bunch of friends who are musicians. And I discovered that people were able to live a humble life and really get fulfillment from it. And I was given a book called The artist's way by Julia Cameron. And I have a poet friend of mine. And she, I decided to have a six month period where I was on sabbatical, essentially, I decided to go to New York. And she told me to read this book. And it was through Following this, this book that I sort of turned to an acting class. And the experience of being in that class was, you know, was with my, my first coach, Bruce Ornstein. And it wasn't a choice. You know, I just knew this was something I had to have to involve myself in. Not always any good. I mean, it's not about being good. But it was the feeling of feeling a thrill and excitement about it. I didn't think it was going to be a career. I just was like, I have to do this. I started doing like anything. You know, I think many. The good thing about medicine is it teaches you how to have faith in yourself. So when I trained It was quite a while ago, but we have this philosophy, which was see one, do one, teach one. So literally, you would watch a procedure being done. And then you'd probably do it once with supervision. And then they'll send you off to do it yourself if you feel comfortable. So I just think pretty, pretty wild stuff very early on because I was kind of really into that idea of just getting in there and I was quite good in my hands. I was I'd go and do surgical procedures, with only a small amount of sort of official training, but what it did is you learn to trust yourself. You Learn to really pay attention, really listen to people. If you mess up, you know, it has huge consequences. So there's a certain humility which comes with that. And I think when I started acting, it was the same as like, I'm just gonna listen to you guys like, you tell me something, I'll try and learn it. And that was one of the ways I think, which certainly helped me because I wouldn't say I was naturally, the most adept x, you know, it's not like some of these people who'd just been born on stage, you know, and I'm from the family. So I had to shed my medical, my medical, you know,

Shaahin Cheyene  15:40

your background?

Darwin Shaw  15:41

Yeah, well, the scaffolding which had created me a good doctor was when I was in a situation where shit was going down, when people were sick, when blood was burning everywhere, when police were there with guns because a gunshot came in. And people are breaking down in tears, dying, whatever, I would just have to not be emotionally connected to it, I can't do anything. Okay. Actually, the opposite. If someone pitches you, you've got to jump. I trained myself through medicine, to get rid of that sort of reaction. It's like, you could be depressed, tell me how suicidal you are, and have to have empathy and have to have kindness, but I can't, if I start crying, you know, I wouldn't be people who want empathy, but I don't want someone to befall them. And I think that was an interesting change when I came back from America. And I realized I was going to do both for a while until I went to drama school. It was this kind of change of learning to be more emotional, then what happened was, I was in the ER, and things were happening. And I started to feel again, and that was a very uncomfortable situation to be in because it was a very big change. And it's that point where I realized, you know what, I'm going to commit to doing this for a while, I'm just going to say goodbye to medicine, I'm going to throw myself in and become an actor.

Shaahin Cheyene  17:05

So as an actor, when you're on the set with someone like Robin Wright, or Daniel Craig, or on the set of Prince of Persia, one of these shows, Do you ever feel I know you're not. But do you ever feel like you're a fraud? Do you ever feel like you're an imposter? Like, is that? Is that a feeling that you've ever had on the set?

Darwin Shaw  17:29

I mean, I think feeling a fraud is common to, to a lot of successful people. And for me, it's not so much being on set, it's the beforehand. You know, I think once I've been on set, I've already gone through the auditioning process, and someone's given me the thumbs up and they said, We trust you. And I'm fine. I'm much worse when it comes to the auditioning process, because I feel like I'm still having to show myself and prove myself. And that's when all the psychological sort of, you know, you know, where you suddenly think I'm not good, or this is, you know, and I'm really this guy, I'm really adopted to an actor, not the person who is, you know, the warrior or the, you know, the drug dealer, whatever their thing is.

Shaahin Cheyene  18:17

Yeah, that makes sense. So, it's the, it's the validation that you've already been, you've already had the validation once you get approved, okay, so the show is called hack and Grow Rich, and we like to give people practical takeaways that they can use. So let's, let's move on to let's do like three practical takeaways. So you know, earlier you and I talked about the concept of, you know, Napoleon burning his ships, right. So far, you know, and we can go back and forth. I know, Bart's got a couple questions, too. But so from the standpoint of somebody who is stuck in life, let's say somebody who's younger, and they're looking at you and going, Man, you made it right, you like, you live the dream, you became a doctor, you did surgery, and we're not talking chiropractor. We're not talking, you know, whoo, Doctor, we're not talking PhD, we're talking you became a medical doctor cutting into people. And you moved from that, because there was some part of you that felt driven to being an actor and you made it for somebody who is feeling stuck in life or is feeling as they say, in the film, the matrix a splinter in their mind, wishing that, or I should say, feeling that something is missing and that there's something else that they may be drawn to, how do they how would you tell somebody let's say somebody, you know, possibly younger than you, the younger you, how would you tell them to pursue that? And how do they know when it's reasonable? To take the risk and burn their ships, or if they should burn.

Darwin Shaw  20:06

I mean, I think you shouldn't burn your ships for no reason. But I think, for me, the important thing is finding something which moves your soul, something which feel, you know, I think if it's if it's about a lot of the people I know who are extremely wealthy, they're not necessarily wealthy because they want to get rich, they actually love what they're doing. It's kind of the money side of things is some way is like a byproduct of doing I mean, that's the game, the game is to be successful, but they're not doing it because they really want a Porsche or Lamborghini. They just kind of love what they're doing. And I think that the love of what you're doing is crucial. And it doesn't matter what it is. For me, it's been acting, and I don't think I ever lose that love. But I've also been directing and writing and producing as well. And I think that, I think once if you know what you want to do, for me, it was about burning the bridges in a way. I mean, it was like sinking the ships, I might, I might still have a sort of rope holding it, I could probably tug it back, if I spent a few years retraining, but I, I'm quite an all or nothing person. So like, if I do something, I'm just going to throw myself into it. And I think that's the only way for me to be successful. But the important thing I learned is that to bring creativity into your life can only be a small thing. But that can bring you great, great, great joy. Or you can do you know, you have to find out what's right for you. But to be more creative in your life, I think is a true, a true path to happiness.

Shaahin Cheyene  21:58

Yeah, creativity is a big deal. Okay. So another thing that we talked about, and then I'll turn it over to Bart, because I know he's itching to ask you a question. And then we want to talk about what you're doing now. Because I know you're doing some really cool stuff now, too. So my question is, did someone tell me that every person you meet, teaches you something? What did you learn from your first big role from Daniel Craig? Was there a lesson there that you might never forget?

Darwin Shaw  22:34

Well, I think I had such a small part in that film. But what was amazing was the humility of Mr. Gray. He was incredibly kind, generous, I was a baby actor, really, I'd done you know, very little. And, you know, he had a big career, even though he might not have been world renowned as he is now. He'd have a big career, he did a lot of theater, he'd done bunches of movies, and was brilliant and, and he was just, you know, he was quite humble, and very generous to me. And at the end of the shoot, he actually got me a car and a bottle of wine. And he said, No hard feelings, Daniel. Yeah, he didn't need to do that. I was essentially in a fight scene. And that, that, that kind of says, what sort of kind of person he is. And it really made me think, well, it doesn't matter where you are, if you can keep that sort of kindness and enthusiasm. Really, you know, it spurred me on. I just, you know, it gave a great blueprint of how you should be as a leader.

Shaahin Cheyene  23:47

Hmm. Right. I mean, humility is amazing, Bart, I know, you go to India a lot. And as part of Eastern culture, you know, we're immersed in humility. But like, in LA, I remember, like, looking around and Darwin, you may have talked about this, too. You know, people just don't have that humility anymore. It's not something that's shown on Instagram or Tiktok. Or, you know, these channels where they're trying to make as much noise as they can. It's all about my Lamborghini and my, you know, look at my big house and look at these girls in the jacuzzi, and, you know, like, all that kind of stuff. But, you know, is it human humility is so important when she say, Bart,

Bart Baggett  24:30

I mean, I have a lot of business in Australia and a lot of friends and they're always talking about the tall poppy syndrome and how I can't sell like a gross American. Like it's not just India, the whole world doesn't really appreciate this sort of, you know, infomercial essence. But it is humility, but I wanted to ask you a question Darwin, and I've been on a few movie sets myself. So I have a little bit of background and what you've been doing is, do you think and I know, I perceive that you still feel like you have a lot More to accomplish in the film business. Like, I feel like you're like I am here because I was. I feel like you're just like, Hey, man, I'm still grinding it out. That's my intuition and I'm correct on that. Absolutely, yeah. And so given that you've had a significant level of success, and you've been around these amazing actors, what would you say the key skill set is for them to continue working? Because remember, if you guys don't know, if you're not outside Hollywood, it's not one or two movies, it's a career. It's 20 or 30 years? And maybe you're maybe not ever getting on the stage with the Oscars. But what's the key critical skill? Is it a relationship? Or is it skill? Or is it something else that I haven't mentioned?

Darwin Shaw  25:40

What acting is so weird? I mean, it's couldn't call it a career. It is kind of giving it a word, which doesn't relate to it, because you can be the height of your profession, and you can disappear. You can be earning in America, millions and millions of dollars, and then suddenly, for no apparent reason, not be working for several years. And the psychological challenges are really real. I mean, not only in the financial sense, but you get used to being treated a certain way, and then you just don't, you haven't got it, and then you're coming back as a small time after again, even though you've done big stuff. So I think resilience is, you know, and within, it has to be to be your own best friend. I think, you know, a lot of a lot of our career involves external validation. And it's very difficult, and I can't say that I've ever achieved it properly. But you have to trust yourself and believe in yourself. Not to expensive stupidity, but you have to, you have to have a certain amount of roadshows and, and that's why I come back to the things you have to love what you're doing. Because if you don't, you're just going to be looking outside yourself to know where you're with. You're good enough or you're doing well enough. And that's what will drive you crazy.

Shaahin Cheyene  27:17

Great answer. Great answer. Yeah, I like that. I like that. Or as Bart would say, if you don't do things right, you'll go tits up. He said that, like three shows ago, right. That's it. We had to look that up. And it's kind of become

Bart Baggett  27:36

A quick story, Darren, I guess that I used to audition and had been in a few films myself. I had this audition a couple years ago. And I just thought I nailed it. Like I was prepared. I hired an acting coach. I thought this is a really cool movie, and ended up going to Matthew McConaughey, his brother, who's a fine actor, and I didn't know this until a year later. But I was just like, so crushed. Because I really was like, I nailed the Texas accent. I did, you know, and, and I bounced back. And I'm still auditioning, and I'm not I'm not near as successful as you are. But my question is, is that the point you've got to be resilient, and you've got to continue to get on the horse enjoy the process, because the process of writing comedy or doing podcasts of acting, I really love the process. And I don't really care if you're famous because I enjoy the process, is that sort of what you're saying is, in those moments, when you get bummed out, you got to go back because it's fun, because it is not fun. You're not going to hang in there when you get rejected.

Darwin Shaw  28:30

Yeah, I mean, I think that at a certain point, there's a balance between, you know, how much input you put in how much output you get. I think that I think you have to love the process. I mean, especially, I come from a theatre background, and it's in England, you don't get paid much. So you have to really love it. You know, there's not this kind of idea that you're going to have this big golden handshake at the end of it. It's like, even if you're Judi Dench, you know, you're earning, you know, if you do theater, you're earning like, what, you know, road sweeper might get in some countries, isn't it isn't it's not, it's not a big bucks, but if you love it, if you love the process, you know, I you know, I certainly do my life, you know, and that's why, you know, going into producing and making my own stuff. It is an extension of that it's different from being on the on the other side of the camera, but, you know, I now have an opportunity to also give other people the opportunity to have that experience, which is really fulfilling to

Shaahin Cheyene  29:36

Yeah, let's talk a little bit about that. Now. So I know you have, you know, branched out from just acting to also being a writer, director, producer, I know you You've always been a renaissance man, jack of many trades. What are you working on now? And how can we learn more about It.

Darwin Shaw  30:01

So since the pandemic hit, I'd already written a movie, which I was going to take out to try and finance the direct. And obviously, that was not going to happen. So me and my friend came together. And we put together this idea called the antiviral film project. And this is an anthology of 24, short segments, you know, narrative stories set on the backdrop of COVID, but in different countries around the world. And what we're doing is we're reaching into the talent all over the world, finding writers, pairing them up with directors and musicians to make these stories, which will all interlinked together, and ended up being as one huge piece, which takes us on a journey around the world of these inspiring stories. Wow.

Shaahin Cheyene  30:51

And so what's the last one that you shot? Can you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah, that

Darwin Shaw  30:57

was actually the first of our home theology called column, the janitor, and it's going to be released in a couple of weeks. And it's the story and the unlikely friendship between a young boy and an older janitor, who are both really happy about lockdown, because the janitor can get on a roll. He's working with school. And the young boy has some social challenges. And he doesn't like being around other kids. And there's this friendship. And you know, he's obsessed with space. And it's just this beautiful moment in their lives because he's in the stairwell. And it's a very touching story about a friendship group. And then from that one, we're going to jump to South Africa. And we're going to face amakhala Game Reserve. And we're doing a story called The Last Ranger. And this is about a Game Reserve once tourism stopped, lost all their financial income, so they couldn't pay for their ranges to protect the rhinos. Oh, and at the same time, local people didn't have any money. So the incentive to be picked up as a poacher becomes greater. So it's this moment, it's a story about these two things collide this one, one last Ranger, protecting the rhino against the against the poachers

Shaahin Cheyene  32:21

have that on film?

Darwin Shaw  32:22

So yeah, we're gonna shoot it in August, and we have access to this wonderful reserve. And we're commencing casting in South Africa.

Shaahin Cheyene  32:32

Let me ask the question that's on Bart's mind right now. And as a medical doctor, can you confirm that Rhino penis does not give you more erections? Right now?

Darwin Shaw  32:44

I can confirm that a rhino horn is got the same composition as your fingernails and your hair. And it will do nothing below the waist.

Shaahin Cheyene  32:55

Why do they

32:57

throw out cases and cases of pills for showing you now? What are we gonna do with no more Rhino? Is that what they call it? rhinoplasty? Yes, the nose right is the rhino?

Shaahin Cheyene  33:08

Why did they do that? Why I'm like, leave the freakin rhinos and the pangolins. And like all the Why Why? Like, you've got Viagra people. It's a drug. It works like you buy it. It's like 50 cents in the third world. Like, why do you have to have a horn that looks like a horn? Why are people so foolish? People are very, very misguided.

Bart Baggett  33:38

Don't like all your movies have a public service message? Or you're actually donating to these causes? Did you pick those trips? Because you just cared and they moved you? Or is there like a nonprofit behind this? And is there anything that we can help you promote as we kind of talk about these three films or more that you're putting together?

Darwin Shaw  33:58

Yeah, thank you. Well, what we've the way we're financing this whole project is through, there's a new startup called bingeable, which is exhibiting our films online. And we're splitting the proceeds of the gross revenue between Doctors Without Borders, who's the charity that we support internationally. And the second half, the other half of the money will go to pay for the next film. So we're having sort of a pay it forward model where filmmakers in one country in Denmark could afford the filmmakers in South Africa. And then they'll both support the next country, and so on. But we're going to be doing a big fundraiser to try and kickstart the financing of the next film on the 15th of July in Los Angeles. And we also have a favor one receipt, charity which is tax free, which you can donate to on our website, which is antiviral, pictures.com and you can you can follow us on the antiviral film project and See the trailer and we the link to the first film which you can purchase for donation is on medical software to the MSF Denmark website. And then it will be also internationally again in a couple of weeks.

Shaahin Cheyene  35:14

Amazing. Yeah. And we'll add all of the please send me all of those links and we will include them in the show notes for people that are watching and if people want to follow you Darwin and join the Darwin shop fan club and you do they follow you on Insta? How do people

Darwin Shaw  35:34

witness on Instagram? Or you can find me through the antiviral film project as well as for that.

Shaahin Cheyene  35:42

Now you're a good looking guy. Have you ever known that you date starlets, and you're always on the red carpet and that kind of stuff. Have you ever had a stalker? Joe, I have had a stalker. Wow. is very scary.

Bart Baggett  35:58

You know anybody in Hollywood had your first stalker. I think everyone knows that rule.

Darwin Shaw  36:03

I had this Stalker and literally every photo that they could find of me on the internet, they'd superimposed their head really badly on it. So it's gonna be worked out on the red carpet like somebody would just put a woman's head on it. And it got a bit much when she started contacting other people I know. Yeah, okay. Good.

Shaahin Cheyene  36:26

We're not gonna we're not gonna say nobody likes it. You ever asked. Okay, cool, then I'm doing something right? That the rhino phenos and the other week do that? Is it just the horn or do they actually like to hunt the penis to know they don't care about that. This is just the horn. Just nobody would make more sense. So the penis just goes to waste, right? There's Rhino peanuts. Not really scientific. It's just bad stuff. Guys. Don't kill rhinos. Don't kill these wild animals. Please. Don't need There's no need. There's no need. All right. Dr. Shah, can they follow you on Insta? We'll include that note. Is there a fan club currently? No. Okay, well, I have this Instagram page that's the current day's fan club in syrupy. anyone's Do they still exist?

Bart Baggett  37:19

Probably with kisses because they love money but the rest of the world? No, not really.

Shaahin Cheyene  37:25

Alright, well, really appreciate you coming on the show and great to see and sharing your time with us. I know how busy you are. And we'll be looking for you on TV, on film, and online and inviting everybody to take a look at your new it's a really awesome project you guys antiviral films. We'll be looking at that so get involved, reach out to them. And Bart, how about you if people want to learn more about you? And I don't know if you know, we want to get maybe one of your books for free. Is there a way we might be able to do that?

Bart Baggett  38:04

Yeah, yeah, I put up a website after you told me that might as well just give it away at Chad get Bart's book.com and it is just free. It's a PDF. He's got some videos, audio books coming out and that's called the magic question. My Instagram which I think is my fan club is at BART baggett.com ba GG e TT And so yeah, reach out to me directly if you want to grab a book Darwin. Hopefully I can see you at your event in LA. I can't wait to meet you in person. I love that and shrinking. I believe you have an Amazon course and then you've got a book coming out as well. In the coming months.

Shaahin Cheyene  38:37

Yeah, so check out the podcast for those guys. My book will be coming out in the next couple months. I'm just recording the audio book now Bart, thank you for those tips that the clap changed my life. My editor is sending me love notes now because he's like, Oh my God, he's like that nobody does that. That's a game changer. The poor guys have to edit all this reading. So thank you. It's you know, you know guys having friends that are such consummate professionals really makes a difference. And that's something about both of you guys, both Darwin and Bard is that you guys, you know, it doesn't matter what you do, no matter how big or how small you always bring excellence to what you do. You are competent, you are creative. And you do it with the same level of excellence as if you were being paid hundreds of 1000s of dollars that I know you both get paid for for what you do or if or if they're not paying you at all and you're just doing it for charity or you doing it for your one of your creative passions. You guys bring that excellence and I think that's something that you both have in common so really honored to know you guys. Guys check out the billion how I became king of the thrill pill called podcast. The first episode is up you can get that on Spotify, Stitcher, Apple podcasts, Amazon podcasts, anywhere podcasts are found. Hack and Grow Rich. We've got a YouTube channel that's live right now so you can check us out on YouTube or also on Spotify, Amazon, Apple podcasts anywhere like that. And if you're interested in creating predictable recurring revenue through selling on the Amazon platform, I've got a free one hour course I'm happy to share with all the listeners. I respond to every single email personally. It might take me a minute to get back to you but reach out on Shaheen Shan calm or you can check it out on FB a seller course calm all those links are going to be on the show notes. And thank you guys so much. What a treat. This show has been so, so honored to have both you guys. Both you guys on and thanks for being on and we'll see you guys on the next episode where we're gonna have more great guests. Thanks so much, guys. Bye bye. Right thanks