Shaahin Cheyene  00:02

All right, welcome to another very special episode of hack and Grow Rich. I'm Shaheen Shannon with my co-host, Bart Baggett. Bart is a personal development coach and has been in this industry for quite some time. And one of the most unique and extraordinarily high-level thinkers that I know Bart is a legend in the internet, online marketing space, as well as a number of other avenues and is an author of the

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dark secrets of the rich and happy I love that title. Thank you Shaheen and if you guys don't know your other co-host, he is one of the most magical thinkers on the planet. One of the currently the secret stealthy Amazon genius. And together we're gonna see if we can hack our brains and our bodies and make you a little richer by the end of this episode.

Shaahin Cheyene  00:56

I love that. And today we have a special guest. You guys are probably seeing him on the screen. Kelly Kyla Carter or Dr. Kelly Carter Kelly, welcome to the show. We're just going to unmute you there. Okay, there you go.

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All right. All right, guys. Thanks for having me on. I'm pretty excited. This should be fun.

Shaahin Cheyene  01:18

Yeah, we're super psyched you're actually going to be the first guest on hack and Grow Rich Barton, I have been doing these long-form chat formats for I think, Bart, we're on like episode six or seven now

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in a lot of funds. But it's been the highlight of my week for sure. And picking up traction, our friends are texting us and getting emails and asking us to bring on cool people. And it's gonna be fun. So I'm glad you're listening. And if you're downloading or listening on all of the different stitchers and the different iTunes, I'm so glad to be a voice in your ear.

Shaahin Cheyene  01:48

Yeah, we're available on all the channels. So if you enjoy this podcast and want to hear more from us, we're available on Spotify, I Heart Radio, Google podcast, Apple podcast, you name it, just put it in hacking Grow Rich for me. If you want to check out one of my other podcasts, you can check out billion how he became king of the thrill kill Kult, which is totally different than hack and Grow Rich. And today, guys, I wanted to let you know that we've got a couple of sponsors. So Mark, why don't you go first.

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Shaahin Cheyene  03:00

I love that. Yeah, you get a free 30-day trial. Now, do you read your own book?

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Yeah, I'm always the author. But if you're a crappy speaker, I would not recommend it. Okay, hire someone.

Shaahin Cheyene  03:11

Okay, yeah. I love your voice. So I'm definitely gonna check that out. I've seen the paper book buy in the Kindle. But I haven't seen the autumn audible books. So I'm excited. I could listen to you while I'm working out. So that's, that's awesome. And guys, today also, I wanted to share with you guys I've had an amazing experience lately, with Citibank. And we've got a special link and a promotion for anybody who's on the hack and Grow Rich podcasts bank, basically is giving away 1000s of dollars just for depositing money with them. And today in banks, it's rare. But they combine that with excellent service and really good banking products. So I strongly recommend it, we have a special link where you can take advantage of the city several promotions. And for any of you guys who listen to this podcast, and do open up an absolutely free Citibank personal savings or checking account. Use the code that we provide below. And I will offer you 15 minutes to talk about anything you want to with me, you can just reach out to me through the show notes on my contact information. It might take me just under 30 days to get back to you. But I will offer a free 15-minute consultation with anybody there. So guys, today, our guest is somebody who I became familiar with a few years ago. And the way that we became familiar is really interesting. He was introduced to me by a mutual friend of ours Kendra Toski, who runs the organization metal International. And who's one of the most connected guys, any of us know we he's like the male, Oprah we always say, and Ken told us that you know this guy, you know, Ken has very like instantaneous reactions to people and when he met This guy Kelly, he was he absolutely loved him. And he thought he was an amazing guy. He introduced him to me as a practitioner of BJJ. So I immediately you know, when I hear people saying, Oh, you know, I'm a martial artist, or I've done this, I'm like, oh, and you know, I always have a little bit of skepticism, right? Especially in LA, right? And you know, this Kelly, like, everybody's like, Oh, yeah, I'm a black belt, you're like, in, in what? In what? So there's a lot of people. But when I learned I asked two questions, right, I asked, Who did you train under? And what's your rank, and when I learned that you are a black belt, in Brazilian jujitsu, and who you trained under, I was like, whoa. And that brings us to the topic of our show today, which is actually discipline. And we're going to talk about discipline and duality. So some interesting things before I invite Kelly to talk, I'm actually going to share my screen a little bit. And I want us all to watch a little clip, which I think is fantastic. And Kelly didn't know that. I'm going to show this clip today. So we're going to share it and hope that it optimizes Well, let's take a quick peek here. Can you guys see my screen?

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Yes, we can. Alright, here we go.

Shaahin Cheyene  06:25

If knowledge is power, then Kelly Carter is pretty knowledgeable. He knows how to punch. He knows how to kick and he knows how to wrestle.

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I'm a trained martial artist who has been doing it all my life. And this is what I do.

Shaahin Cheyene  06:42

Carter also knows that his trucks been broken into twice recently. And everyone knows that can be very frustrating.

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And I'm thinking in my mind, if I can just catch those people doing that in the middle of this, I would just let them realize that they broke into the wrong car.

Shaahin Cheyene  06:58

And so when Carter who said to enter the Ultimate Fighting circuit this summer, walked out of a Sherman Oaks coffee shop Monday night and saw two men trying to break into his truck. Well, the fight was first off the man and the getaway car.

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I told him to stop and get from the car I wouldn't. I kicked the side of his car and put a dent in it. And then he's going through my chai latte and his face he got away but it's

Shaahin Cheyene  07:23

alright, so that ladies and gentlemen is Kelly Kyla Carter. Now, to add on to that what I want to share is the way we actually became friends is that I also had been practicing Brazilian jujitsu, nowhere near the level of Kelly, Kyla Carter. And I had an unfortunate incident with a higher belt, who got a little upset that I had tapped him being a lower ranking belt and did something very unfortunate to my spine. And I was in pain for days. To which Kelly said yeah, you know, I was like, dude, Has this ever happened to you? And he's like, why don't you just come over to my, you know, studio, you know, my clinic and let me take care of you. And I said, What are you talking about? I'm like, you're a killer. What do you mean? and Kelly was like, you know, just come down. And I was like, okay, you know, I remember you and I talked about this a lot now, you know, a strong believer in science and science-based medicine. But sometimes, it just makes sense to suspend judgment. So I suspended judgment. I went to Kelly studio, and it was, you know, beautiful and clean. And he did this incredible system of Eastern medicine, meats, Western physical therapy, meat stretching. And, dude, when I was when I walked in, I was in some of the deepest pain I've ever had my spine, my neck, my back. When I left. It was, slightly tender. I could have gone to the jujitsu guy, he in fact said are you gonna roll today? I was like, yeah, maybe not a good maybe good idea to take a couple of days off. But he fixed me so so Kelly, what is this Voodoo that you do?

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Do that I do? Well, that what we did there was you know if we need to do it's just like mixed martial arts or whatever you're doing. I've been doing the healing arts since the early 90s. And so it's a mix of a lot of different things, but primarily that was active isolated stretching, and, and some guasha with just from Chinese medicine. And then I had the secret potion, which I think I got from one of our metal brothers. Which was that that quanta and that that was in putting that all together and then while while ah. Do you know? Yeah. Well, yeah, there's you know, the body can heal itself. You know, you just Just got appointed in the right direction.

Shaahin Cheyene  10:03

Yeah, so So tell me a little bit more, I think this is an interesting part, I don't know what your thought is about this. But one of the things that I think is so interesting about you, and I think, you know, especially in a time where everything has been polarized, and you and I talked about this a lot, Kelly, you know, and when everything's been politicized and polarized, and you're either this or that, or you're left or right, or, you know, like, no one's allowed to have an opinion, you got to be on one side of the polarization. And it reminds me about duality. And kind of like the intricacies of life and how complex we all are. And when I look at you, I see somebody who's very self-realized in a lot of ways and self-reflective Barton, I talked about that a lot on previous shows the importance of, of being self-reflective, but, you know, I see you as somebody that's, that's, that's really living this duality. On one end, you're a guy that you don't want to piss off, you know, drunk at a bar. And on the other end, you're this amazing healer, how's that work?

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Um, well, I, you know, that's all relative, right? Everything's relative to what levels we are about everything. But, you know, I, I always looked at it is just one of the same because I lived in Martial Arts Academy in Chicago. When I was going to school there, I was going to Columbia College there for a while. And, and so there had this, this Martial Arts Academy and my teacher there. My teacher Kimball was was was studying acupuncture at the same time, too, he was going to acupuncture school. And so I just figured, oh, well, you know, I studied Tai Chi, Kung Fu, all this, and then you go into the healing arts, too, I just looked at it as one and the same. And then I studied more, and I realized that like the Shaolin, right, the shell ends, they all study herbalism, they study some type of healing art, and that's been forever. So if you're going to, if you're going to, you know, do hard training, I mean, your body's not going to last, if you don't do some type of healing modality, some type of recovery work. To do that, it's got to be just as well balanced. You know, you've got to, you've got to do stuff that's going to really heal you along the way. Iron Fist stuff, right. I know, friends of mine do Iron Fist work. It's like they're hitting concrete backs as hard as they can. But they had to work their way up to it, but they used herbs and their hands that Zhao and stuff to really heal them and on the way to where they could actually work up to be able to go to that level. The same thing with Jiu-Jitsu, you know, you the stretching is so it's so important to, to follow that type of this type of stretching like it is very thorough. And I always was healing myself along the way like that, so that I could keep myself out of trouble Didn't you know, injuries happen and I've had like some pretty gnarly injuries from in during jujitsu. But as far as healing and fighting, I just think it should go along with each other. If you're gonna train martial arts, you should train some type of healing art. Along with that, it just makes sense to me.

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You probably didn't know this, but my martial arts training, get up to a blue belt in Shaolin Kung Fu and haven't trained a while. So definitely could take neither one of you at this very moment. But my master, we used to have this ongoing conflict, because he was Korean in Korea and respect is one of the ultimate values and I would call him a master in the studio. And then the doctor when he was giving me Chinese herbs. And he would always like, No, I'm not your doctor, I'm your master. And I'm like, Yeah, but you're my doctor here. My master like for white guy just made sense that we're more in the medical, he's the doctor. But once you had that, a role of that apprentice or that master student, it was a different level of respect. But I went there for martial arts training. And I left a huge believer in Chinese medicine. And I've always kind of balanced the western with the eastern with the acupuncture for free since I was 20 years old. And so for me, it's just normal to approach the world as one big planet and say, we're in the world that people solve these problems. Let's go find out what they're doing. And unfortunately, if you grew up in a small town in the southwest, you may never have heard of a movie called 3000 needles or acupuncture or anything like that. Where you know, this is just your bread and butter. It's just normal for to you people walk out healed.

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Yeah. Yeah, well, it's the body. I mean, it's, it's got a lot of experience, right, more experienced than any other, acupuncture itself in herbology. More More, more experience in years than any other healing art in the world, and documented Healing Arts in the world, all tribes, and all societies. They always have their doctors, but boy, they really have down for a very long time. And in that's how they even think, well, the one-story, who knows it was so long ago, right that they even figured out acupuncture. The story that I was given in school was that a soldier had gotten shot with an arrow. He goes to see a medic, they have medics that would, you know, heal their wounds, and he got shot right through near his thumb, right. And a lot of people know this point. It's Li for hate guru, or the great pain eliminator is what it's called, but it's known for headaches. People like oh, yeah, squeeze, squeeze right here so that you can take away your headache. So this soldier had gotten shot there. And he realized, oh, wow, my crop, he had chronic headaches, and they went away. They went away after him getting shot by the arrow at that particular point. And so they started, they put two and two together and like, Let's check this out. And so I don't know if you like rammed arrows in other parts of his body or not, but they, they go and they, they, they started doing the math on it and well, and then all of a sudden, we got these hundreds of points all over the body and that have very designated prescriptions. And so that's that's the story where it came from if it sounds pretty good story, though. Yeah,

Shaahin Cheyene  16:23

I like that. We Bart and I have talked about this before. You know, it's funny because, you know, like chiropractic for example. You know, there's a lot of people who believe that chiropractic is just straight quackery. There's a lot of people who believe that acupuncture acupressure is just completely bogus. And I've seen TV shows documentaries, where at the end of it, you're like, yeah, it's totally bogus. But then you get pain or you get an injury and something happens and they've got no cure for you. And then you go to someone who's practicing this stuff. And sometimes not always, it works. So how do you argue with that? How do you How does the most scientific mind in the world argue with it works for me?

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Yeah, you know, it's weird. You know, I work with a lot of got a really great practice down here and mattering by New Orleans here. And, and I've worked with some really great doctors, functional medical doctors, orthopedic surgeons, neurosurgeons, chiropractors, we all work as a team. And we're like, I just, I told him, orthopedic surgeon the other day, I said, I don't think this fella should this patient that we're both working on. I said I don't think the seller should be getting these injections. So we're going to give them injections and his back his pain, his back was so bad. I go the first day he came in, got acupuncture, he was in an eight pain level out of 10. He left his zero right next to zero that day, he came back with a six. But then they left with zero again. And now it's down to like a three and assessed after three treatments or so I go, I think that that would be maybe it may not help the process. He goes, Oh, let's not do it. He totally called it off didn't even question it. said man. If that's what the results we’re getting. That's what we're gonna do.

Shaahin Cheyene  18:17

And so let's turn doctor, someone with an MD after their name.

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Oh, yeah, that's an orthopedic surgeon. Oh, yeah. And this is we're in New Orleans, we're not in Los Angeles, where it's acupuncturist primary care in California. So it's much more accepted in the hospitals and everything here. We just got a great group of dudes that are really great doctors that stick to their Hippocratic oath and say, we're here to get these people better. You know,

Shaahin Cheyene  18:47

so let's backtrack a little bit. So let's go from healing to hurting. So you were approached by Dana White, the founder of UFC to fight as Kelly the Kyla Carter in a UFC fight. Tell us a little bit about what happened there.

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Well, you know, it was very interesting. I had been trained, and that's one reason that's the reason I moved to Los Angeles was just after 911 and Tito Ortiz invited me to come and train with them. Start touring with those guys. It's too far to drive from Venice. Time went on a lot of stuff happened in between there. And then I as far as the path of my life I had. I was in the film industry a lot. I worked with a lot of film people, and then things kind of redirected. And I didn't I'm like, oh, I kind of wanted to get in the film industry. And like, oh, wow, I don't have to get punched in the face to get in the film industry because it was already happening for me in other ways. And then I went back again and started training to fight really seriously. So I started training, heavy-duty. You know, I had incredible coaches. Spending the jet up does my striking coach margin Reese majan Reese, who is his protege, we all work together, my striking was going to a whole different level. And so I go and I was on my way to my boxing lesson with Majid that day. And these guys try to break in my truck, you know that the clip shows and guy tried to stab me, you know, all this stuff, right? And so it's a big deal. They call me the vigilante and stuff. It was on a show, but it was like, I just knew that like I, I put on a martial arts clinic, I was very proud of myself. And just because I was very calm. I tried not to hurt the fella, either. I wasn't trying to hurt him. I was just trying to submit him. Although he tried to stab me and everything. I got very calm. And it was like, it was like Kempo meets MMA and a little bit of Tai Chi sprinkled in there, disarmed him, choked him out, sent him to hospital nicely in an ambulance. And so he and I were really, really working so hard not to hurt him, but just naturally that way anyway. And it got made national news. Adam Carolla just took over Howard stern spot on his radio show, right Big Show in Los Angeles, and CBS and I believe radio, and so he had interviewed me on their coming vigilante and everything and we're just talking about it, you know, and so fun and everything. And then Dana White calls in, you know, out of the blue, I had no idea. They know, I call in on the, on the show, and, and asked me a few questions about myself. And, and I actually stayed super calm about it. It was just like, wow, this is a pretty awesome opportunity. I wasn't spitting nickels, because you don't sound that excited about cuz he asked me He goes, would you like to be on the Ultimate Fighter? And I'm like, I go. Yeah, I think that'd be pretty cool. You know, I think it's great. And so anyway, he invited me up on The Ultimate Fighter, I had this invitation for it. And so they started courting me through this over the next few years, give me tickets, like great seats, tickets. He said, you know, and I tell you, Dana was so cool to me. And I would go there and I, what happened to is after the after that had happened, right? Two weeks later, after he had invited me onto the Ultimate Fighter I, I was training, I broke my ankle and surgery. And so I remember going to one of the fights and I'm on crutches now. And I went down to see him. And he and he goes, I go, Hey, Dana, I introduced that first time we met face to face. And I said, You know, I reminded him of the show and everything. And I said, Man, I jacked up my ankle, man. I go, he goes, he goes, Okay, man, he goes, it'll get better. He goes, he goes, makes sure whenever you come to these, he goes, he goes, makes sure you come and talk to me. Because I'm busy. I got a lot of people to talk to, I'll forget, you know, it goes to make sure you're always in my face about it. And so they kept giving me tickets and everything. And like, so I come in, you know, we have my presence there and everything so cool to me. And then and then I go two years later, still hadn't had my weight class. Right? It's Yeah, I was I would have done 205 which those guys are so much bigger than me, but I didn't two or five or 185. They're much taller. And you know, Pete Ortiz, but they're very large guys. And so I would, so then I go in there. So we need to see another fight. We need to see a fight. So I had this great fight lined up in Florida. And it was going to be you know, for that time. 5000 seat venue. It's televised, is like a really nice show to go to. The guy was six, two, he was 205 fighter. He actually was six, six. I bet him later he was enormous. He was a huge dude. And, and so it was really really interesting. My coach said that he was six too and go to a nice you know, to know that but um, and those long guys you know, you don't underestimate those guys at all. And so we go and

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I go to do that fight I'm training for it's a month out, fall off my bicycle, hang concrete, and just miss the fire hydrant with my head and just blew my back out like I blew a disc out. And nine-millimeter bolts tore my labor man. My hip is already a bit injured. It just couldn't recover from it. I had to pull out of that fight. And that took me out four years. Wow. Give me after four years of training. I couldn't train at all. And so I got to look at it. I look back and I'm like, you know, it was already I was training at that time. So hardcore like at Benny's every Saturday. We basically did a smoker. We're going to the night knockout really top top-level UFC guys in there. One, in particular, was one of my sparring partners and we really were going to 110%. Right? smart guys now don't do that. Robbie Lawler did never did that cowboy never did that. And they're like, they're like, they always ask Robbie's like, how do you have such a long career? It's like, I didn't let people hit me in the head.

Shaahin Cheyene  25:24

So so let me carry on On that note, because this really is, you know, a podcast for personal development, and accelerating and hacking human nature. And that's kind of what our NIH had been focused on for these last episodes. So you just explained a physical trauma to physical traumas that maybe at that point, you're like, yeah, you know, maybe this isn't, you know, it wasn't meant to be. But how do you You're a pretty stoic guy, every time I've seen you, that's one of the things I noticed about you have a very grounded just general vibe or energy about you. And you're very stoic, it seems like nothing can throw you off your game. How do you do that? what's the mindset? And how, how would you recommend to our viewers and listeners to be able to achieve that same kind of mindset?

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Well, it's interesting, you know, when people have different looks on nukes, I'm like, wow, that's interesting that you see that, because I, and I appreciate it. And I appreciate you, I get you're very perceptive in many ways, and a lot of respect for you. So that makes me feel good. You know, I do Tai Chi regularly, and it's moving, you know, moving meditation. And that's what, that's what keeps me calm last time. Because I, I was just gonna say too, it's like, if the ADHD kicks in, just say, hey, just relax a little bit. Callicott, you know, and so because that'll that'll take over. And so, so I've done a lot of that, to help calm myself down and be able to be centered and noise is okay, in situations become cool and collected. That way, you know, that's, that's the main thing that I do. And then especially just, you know, just having a healthy lifestyle and eating and not eating certain things. I, I, I'm even calmer now, just because I stopped drinking coffee, as well and stopped baking and the caffeine made a huge difference for me. Other people are fine with it, but not so much for me. But it's just, it's, it's a long time of doing it to you know, and really dealing with your it's not just timesheets. Like when I wrote my doctoral dissertation on Tai Chi for treating anxiety, and so I learned a lot about myself through that. And a lot about life in general through that and I developed a, a way to intentionally set your touch you to to do Tai Chi intentionally. So I really set an intention, like a real concrete intention, I write it down. I connect into an emotion that

Shaahin Cheyene  28:07

like what like tell us what the intention would be.

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Before I did it, and I said I did one right before I did the show before I came on with you guys. And I said I'm owning my powerful power feeling calm, cool, and collected.

Shaahin Cheyene  28:24

Like that. So you want to be See I always see it as a guy that's calm, cool, and collected. But you want to be more calm, cool, and collected. So what you do is you practice a little bit of Tai Chi before

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I do it, but I meditated into I actually like drive the intention into my be. There's a whole process that I developed it was a combination between Lifeline technique. My buddy, Dr. Darren Weissman developed the lifeline technique and Tai Chi and a few other things. And I just kind of put the chocolate in the peanut butter with that, and it ends up like really, it's so it's pretty intense, very intense meditation and you can put it in like that. It's like It's like Tony Robbins calls, he doesn't call them intentions, he calls them incantations. You know, you're not casting a spell on yourself in a real positive way and reprogramming your brain. Then I enter neuroplasticity into that when I do it over a long time. So I have people do it about myself over about 40 days, or 60 days. And you can really reprogram bad habits, old habits, other behavioral patterns that you're not that want to change. And most science says around that time, there's different something than say 21 days but most studies I read was around actually 40 to 60 days to change that saw drive that intention and just repeat it and repeat it and repeat it as you're doing that Tai Chi which then puts you into the relaxation response or that alpha brainwave state. And so in that conscious state, you can really make things happen that way. Your body can really accept that and then The more often you do it, and do it steadily like that and repeat that your minds like, Oh, this is where I'm supposed to be. I'm not supposed to be in fight or flight. I'm supposed to be calm, cool, and collected.

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Why don't you just describe the process that is remarkable, because you're talking about neuroplasticity, affirmation affirmations, belief systems, and then you're anchoring it into the state, like the Tony Robbins anchoring? And as a fan of meditation, I always thought there's got to be something more than just sitting like a monk thinking. And yet at the same time, when you're having these active physical actions, you're not really balanced. I love what you're doing. Is that something that you've put into a video or a training program or a book or we have to come to New Orleans to hang out with you?

30:46

Well, I am, I have been writing a book over I've been writing for quite some time, and it's based on my dissertation. And I wrote the bulk of it over the lockdowns. And so I took that time to did to finish to get a project going finish actually shrinking. It's helped me a lot, Dustin because he's written What are you on eight books now?

Shaahin Cheyene  31:10

Yeah, I think throughout my history, yeah.

31:15

Quite impressive. So just to knock this first one out, I've got a lot of content made. So I have put it together as a program. And I teach my private, my patients this as well. Um, yeah, it's really helpful.

Shaahin Cheyene  31:29

Yeah, we'll include some notes for you guys. Show Notes. sure how to get a hold of Dr. Kelly. And he'll let us know more about that. So if you guys are in Louisiana, definitely go see him and get on his mailing list. And I know he does seminars from time to time but so let's move back into your martial arts training, specifically Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. So for you guys who don't know, in many martial arts, you can move up the ranks fairly quickly. They've got a lot of belts like I think, what is a carrier like Taekwondo has like almost as it is a dozen or dozens or depending on the teacher, how many belts Do they have

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invent them, and come up with new colors and stuff every year and more stripes and everything? Because it's it's quite a feat for each belt level. So,

Shaahin Cheyene  32:17

but you can get them in about three years. You can get in about you get black belts in three years from Taekwondo.

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You're on 1011 years old, you know, so you're, you know, that's when you're just you're just a sponge then so it you know, it all makes sense.

Shaahin Cheyene  32:30

Yeah. Or karate is I think, you know, four years is the quickest you can get I write

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legitimate karate school. So I mean, like, legitimate even, like campus schools around 10 years. 10 years, okay. Yeah, but

Shaahin Cheyene  32:43

Brazilian jujitsu. There are only four or five belts, right? We're Yep, white, blue, brown, black and red. And my kids always ask me, how do you get a red belt and I say your last name is got to be Gracie or Machado. That's how you get a red belt kid.

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I live in the choral belt too. I think that comes before the red belt. I think like keygens choral as a choral belt. I think that's what he wears.

Shaahin Cheyene  33:09

Oh, right. Yeah. Those are for. Right. Those are for people who've contributed to the culture and like, you know, that's a whole like, another level. But so like, it's not unusual from what I've seen for people to go from in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. BJJ from white belt to black belt for it to take 20 plus years.

33:33

Oh, yeah. It took me from when I started jujitsu. I was a second-degree black belt in Kenpo. And our Kempo was we wrestled and we did it was a mixed martial arts schools and early like we're quite innovative in Chicago with that, and we were tied with the dagger Burg Academy as well. And we, we they were very, very well respected and they were way ahead of people doing Jiu-Jitsu. They were I went to the school one day, and they're wrestling with their GIS on the ground. Like,

Shaahin Cheyene  34:03

why?

34:04

Why do you do that? And I had no idea like, so far, but before that, but um, yeah, the, here the ADHD is kicking in. So did you say so? When when you

Shaahin Cheyene  34:20

where you were just commenting on how long it takes to get a Brazilian Oh, yeah, it's a black belt as opposed to other arts.

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I took it I started I think in 96 and it took me 22 years and because I had so many interruptions, you know, and I'd already been doing a bunch of other stuff. So I i got i was very hardcore up to my purple belt with I got my purple from Pablo Popovich George Popovich, who's a Hall of Fame drawing on Pop Pop as a Hall of Famer and his dad was, was a very close coach to mine. And so then I got into MMA when I moved to LA so then you're not going up the ranking systems. You know, I did mostly nogi I was trained with Eddie Bravo for three and a half years, you know, doing the straight nogi. So I didn't really climb up those ranks. Then I went back around and got back into the ranking system. And then I had, you know, price six, seven years that I was solid, I was injured.

Shaahin Cheyene  35:17

Wow. Yeah. I didn't know you trained with Eddie Bravo. I mean, he's, he's legendary in that, you know, I mean, I don't think there's anybody that's innovated as much on a fairly traditional martial art as he has I mean, he's his Twister has moved the moves that he develops so unconventional and I think it's so much on the other side of like people like Hickson, Gracie, who's about the pure jujitsu, and you know, as he's getting older, he's, he's, you know, developing much more of his like invisible jujitsu. And it's very much about the purity and even, you know, people like Chrome Gracie, who's like a very strict, you know, the very format of your Chrome. Chrome is also a judo Chi. He's a black belt in judo. So, you know, he's, he's a lot more traditional in his, you know, skill set for jujitsu by Eddie Bravo, you know, he threw it all out the window, got rid of the keys, and then just started innovating, which is pretty unique, right? He really is a hacker of Brazilian jujitsu

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Is he really is and you know, it's like, you don't realize it when I actually when I first heard it, Eddie, I was, um, I was at john Jacques Machado. So I was trained with john jocks and I, I was, I talked to Joe Rogan there. And Joe is still training with him in the GI. And he goes, and I told him, I was doing my aspirations were to fight MMA and everything. And he turned me on to Eddie Bravo. And there, you know, Best Buddies, or whatever. And I'm like, and he, and so I went over there and yeah, and he is like, he is an innovator. Like, he's very, very creative. And it just like, does not do he doesn't he does, he gives no fucks at all, he just does his thing. He's a real artist, you know, with this. And, and he's, he's really developed so much. And it's like, the stuff he comes up with is just hilarious,

Shaahin Cheyene  37:19

you know, themes at least right? Okay, so so Kelly, the name of the show, is hacking grow rich. So why don't we give the listeners and by we I mean you three things that they should keep in mind if they're ever out in a similar situation to yours, and have the potential of getting attacked and by the way, folks never you know, confront an assailant who's got any kind of weapon or no weapon otherwise, you know, Kelly is a lifetime martial artists and trained at this. So I just want to mention to everybody who's listening and watching this, don't try your luck, but you can throw the latte that is totally okay. If it's a pumpkin latte, right, I hear that has special powers. But so Kelly, three hacks that people with little or no martial arts experience, can use to keep themselves safe and get out of a hairy situation. Like you were being attacked by two guys with screwdrivers and Heaven knows what else?

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Yeah. Well, one thing, your awareness is everything paying attention to I'm hyper-vigilant. I'm super hyper-vigilant, right? And so I probably I get along with, with Corolla so well, because we're both that way. You're always kind of scanning for danger. So yeah, I think I just naturally have that. But you can I be you're always aware, don't put yourself in situations that are going to endanger you. I was back there by myself in a parking lot. So I don't really care. I go back. I'm just I'm three blocks from Bourbon Street right here. I mean, there's some there's a lot of stuff going on here too. So it's like you, you always be aware of your surroundings, right? In that situation. If the guy was going to actually stab you probably just run and just go the other way. Right. It's probably the best idea. The only reason I I gave him three chances to leave, or else I would not have engaged with them. I wouldn't have engaged with them. The only reason I did is he just kept like, he took my computer out to get the app away from my truck. He kept running drops it he I go if he would have got up and ran away and left the computer there. I would have let him run. I wouldn't have chased them. If he picks it up like he steps over and picks up I go, I'm sorry, I've given you this your third third third time's the charm here, three strikes, you're out and then I kicked him because he bent over in touch. I had to take him out. And so so that's, that's why I engage otherwise I'll let him go. There's no reason I wanted to deal with it. Because he

Shaahin Cheyene  40:10

aware, you run away if you can. And what would the third and final hack for somebody who's got who's not like you who's you know, not a trained martial artist like you I know you've trained with police officers and former military and high-level jujitsu, black belts, you've trained with the gray seas and the muchachos. And all this, we're talking about somebody who has little or no training, and they're in a situation where they're approached with this kind of danger.

40:40

Well, um, the thing is, is that preparation is where it's at. You know you got to be prepared. It's like, it's how can you tell someone, oh, just do this, just do that. Have a pen in your hand and stab them? It's like, no, it's like, no, train. So I would say, train, train, and prepare yourself. You know, and you don't have to, you don't have to be a fanatic about it and compete and everything, but train, do something that's gonna prepare you for that even like crop McCobb, you know, great for just straight self-defense, you know, and, and go from there. But I think everybody should learn some martial art, and learn it and be proficient at it enough to where you can take care of yourself.

41:31

She is a story that popped into my head. And when you're asking that question, is when we were in Shaolin, and we would fight seven or eight assailants, the only way to do that is to put one of them in front of the other. So you're never really fighting five assailants. You're moving around and backing up. So you're really only fighting one another. That was such a valuable tool, because people see bar fights and movies, and they want to get in the middle of the circle, which is the worst idea ever. Oh, now, you want to move around. And Kelly, I was walking down Tennessee and with a girl, and I kept moving her on different parts of the sidewalk. And she was like, Why do you keep doing that? And I'm like because there are four guys behind us. There are two guys over there. And we're on a dark street corner, would you just listen to me? And she was like, oh, I didn't even notice that. Because I just wanted to navigate so that I didn't end up in an alley with four kids behind me. And so what I did is I just pulled them back, we said the ATM that walked by, she thought I was crazy. But it was just that awareness you're talking about of going, Hey, there's five guys there. And this is just safer to not get yourself that in that contact in the first place. Is that about right?

42:32

It's great thinking and the stacking is important. But then again, you trained for that, stacking people up in a row and in getting them to get it so they're walking over themselves, then you're only fighting one person. It's like 300 they funnel them down through that skinny round

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the first one just right, it's like a bowling pin. It'll knock all 10 of them down. I've

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read

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you know. Neville Seagal movie Steven Seagal movie, and he do that all the time. They're so fun to watch. But he, you know that also like that awareness, like a woman, right? They tell me all the time, it's like, don't go to your car, then look in your purse and get your keys and fumble through like that, grab the keys out, you walk around your car, all that stuff, you know, just a little stuff like that could really make a big difference. You know, look under your car, there was a big thing going around for a while or guys were straight raising people's Achilles tendons. They'd hide underneath their car. They'd hide underneath their car and they slicer alkalize tendon, the person just collapses. Right? Do to them, but then they steal their car and whatever else they want to you know. So it's like, just like being aware of that all the time. And I used to do that I was so fanatical about found weaponry. And I mean, I used to test myself all the time, I'd walk behind in dark alleys in China, three in the morning, in Guan, Jo, and I couldn't sleep I was there training. And I just go walk. And just like, you know, and I kind of you don't want to ask things to happen. But I certainly was always like, I would always be hyper-aware of like, what can I do here and stuff and put myself a little bit to the test like that. Probably not super smart. But I've got a few things that aren't that brilliant. So, but I learned from them so and I'm still here. Pretty unscathed.

Shaahin Cheyene  44:26

Sure. That sounds really hairy. I mean, if someone's hiding in your cars, I would say you sir are bad at crime. That sounds terrible, what is the rate of success of doing that? Sir? If you have to hide under somebody's car, cut their ligaments in order to get a person you sir, are unqualified to commit a crime, please. You're about a crime. If you're doing that there are so many easier crimes please pick a better crime. There's a lot of them just go we've got Google sir.

44:59

Yeah. They got to get more creative.

Shaahin Cheyene  45:01

That's just my creative team. So, Bart, and Kelly, which brings me to our final topic, as we're approaching our last few minutes of the show, and then at the end, we will tell you guys how to get a hold of Dr. Kelly. And hopefully, he will be on the show again, and maybe we could have him show some techniques, both of healing and hurting. So we can, we can learn that duality, but the topic of the show was originally disciplined and I feel like we're, we're coming full circle back to that, guys. So, you know, to be a martial artist to spend the 20 plus years on one art and, you know, who knows how many other years you've spent on all these other arts requires discipline? Tell us about your discipline and personally what discipline means to you?

45:57

Yeah, that's good, it's such a good and very, had would have to have the very layered answer, my personal experience is, is that I had challenges with discipline so much. And they're always about Oh, do martial arts, it gives you self discipline. And I felt like I never, I felt like I had it at times, but not the like, just so like, laser-focused like that. But it's just, it's but what I found in through word years of working on it, and I mean, I, this will, this will plug into what you're saying, but I late in life, I get diagnosed with ADHD. Right, I'd read I recognized for my doctoral study. And so, um, so what I did when I realized that, wow, I go, I started researching, I said, Wow, this explains my whole life. And, and so but I also was inspired because there's a whole list of all these icons through the years that we're all ADHD, you know, you know, Michael Jordan, Van Gogh to Albert Einstein, but I'm just like, I go, Well, there's got to be good things about this. So. So what I did is I guess I decided to do the George Costanza method, which I came, I came up with that idea from Seinfeld. And so when George Costanza, they said, you know, he was really bad with women, and said, and so they go, Oh, go talk to that girl. She's looking at you goes on now, you know, no, George, just do the opposite of what you would normally do the complete opposite. And so because what you do never works. So anyway, I did that with that. And so I did the complete opposite of what I normally would do, and then scored 4.0 is and wrote, like, really noted papers and my dissertation. So the same thing I did with martial arts is I really focused and crank down, you know, the last few years with Renato. He was so supportive of me. You know, we were doing privates. Every week. He was grooming me to get to really get to that black level. And I was just so laser-focused on that was consistency. I made myself I had a routine. That's I saw Ken all the time, at the retasking at the gym all the time at that Inn. Right, right. And I go there all the time. And I mean, I was there. The reason I was there, I was warming up for jujitsu. So I actually did an hour hour and a half a warm-up on Friday and go to class, you know, and I that's stretching and preparing and in getting my mindset for it, because I'm like, I don't want to get injured again. Because I had some gnarly injuries. I didn't want to go back there again. And I came and I play that that discipline, consistency discipline, always focusing on that really helped me and took me through that. And I was feeling absolutely no pain. I wasn't even sore. Like I just really like I really was the best few years I've ever had in jujitsu or the last three years in LA. With Renato school at St. Sports,

Shaahin Cheyene  49:12

and how does that come back to discipline? What's what would your takeaway be? in these last minutes for somebody who looks at you who admires you? Who would be like, dude, I want to achieve some of the things that he's achieved? How do How can they use discipline to get them there? I loved your first hack. Your first hack is if what you're doing doesn't work, try doing the opposite of that, and see if that works. Because that could be golden in and of itself. I see Bart's smiling because I think he'd be a proponent of that system.

49:50

Well, I think that consistency and perseverance and keep your eye on that prize, but also at the same time, keeping yourself balanced. And all aspects of your life during that it's a juggling act. You know, it really is. And I mean, I literally, I don't know if I showed you videos or something, but I literally juggle. As part of my warmup and part of my training, I'll balance on a Swiss ball and my knees and I'll juggle several different ways. And I just in this for concentration for jujitsu, the concentration itself helped me in my game itself of jujitsu, because I play hands a lot, it really would help me to stay focused. But that is what helped me to stay focused and keep my discipline for that in all aspects of my life. as just the training itself, really helped me do that. So just do the training, just go to the gym, go and do the training and be consistent about it. That's how I see it like that is that answering your question? Is that sound like a good

51:00

way too bad answer? It's just your answer. We can have more brevity, answer. Yes. But it's a fine answer. When you mentioned Shaheen, the topic really unlocks an entire couple of years of my research. And really two things come up to me is just like with a company, what's get measured, gets improved. So if you're not measuring it, and you're not tracking it, then you don't really have the confrontation of you not doing it. And so in Dr. Carter's, I go to the gym, if you're tracking it, even on a small app, or a spreadsheet or something, where you get a dopamine hit for the habits that you want to encourage. That, to me is the secret of changing habits. And if you look at people's lifetimes, it's so small habits over years that really move the needle. And so we developed a whole program called Life designed by a prism. And it was about creating small dopa means a little one or a two or maybe a little, little, just something that was positive reinforcement, because you know, what your wives and kids are not going to cheer you on for going to the gym, they're going to cheer you on for winning a big contract, all he wants a hug. So what you need is to find some kind of self-system that makes like, Yeah, I got 30 points a day, like I'm on target. And after about six months and making 3040 points on whatever, you know, having a smoothie or going to the gym, you're like, yeah, my life is better now. And so it's a really more complicated answer. But really hacking the brain Shaheen, creating dopamine hits, creating positive reinforcement for those things like getting up at 530 and going to the gym. To me, that's the key to really breaking an old habit. If the George Costanza thing doesn't work for you.

52:31

I love that bar, and especially the dopamine release, because that is something that I was challenged with, is not getting that dopamine release for likes and things that need to get done busy work. Right. So then I started programming myself, too and associating that with things that did give me a dopamine release, and then transferred it over to stuff that I don't like doing. Is that similar to what you guys were doing?

52:56

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you have kids, you can give them $1 to do their choice, but who's going to give you $1. So it's got to be a point or a system or something where you're just giving yourself that little bit of pat on the back, but then track it at the same time. And so it's kind of blends a little bit of business coaching with a lot of cognitive psychology and habit renew habits.

53:15

Yeah, yeah.

Shaahin Cheyene  53:17

Yeah, I love that too. So I bring that back full circle guys, to selling on Amazon being an Amazon FBA seller, which is what we teach in our course. And, you know, I run a course in a mastermind, Kelly's been in it for a year, year and a half now. And it's a course where we teach people how to create predictable recurring revenue while they sleep by creating and selling private label products on the Amazon FBA seller platform. Now, here's the interesting thing, guys, before you thought I was going to launch into an ad for the course which I am not. What I will do is let you guys know that anybody that contacts me directly on my email, I'm happy to share with you a free one-hour course, for anything that you want to sell on Amazon. This is going to be great for you to learn. It's a one-hour crash course it is absolutely free for listeners and viewers of this program. Again, you can watch us on YouTube, you can listen to us through Spotify, Google podcast, Apple podcast, wherever you like to. But the point that I was making earlier, is that when people start selling e-commerce when they start selling on the Amazon platform, they always ask me, man Shaheen You know, we've watched the course we love it. We've got all these ideas of products and look at this one's gonna make this much money. This one's gonna make that much money. Okay, that one's okay, but it'll just be easy. But look at all these other ones. I say no, stop. Go with the easy one. Why? It's the exact same thing you guys are teaching right now. Is that I want them to close that feedback loop. If they're putting energy out into the world and not getting any feedback back in, they're not going to be very excited to continue. And then something's going to come along, that's going to give them feedback. That is a job. That's feedback, you go into a job, you do the job, you get a check. So you're competing with that dopamine hit of that paycheck, you're competing with the dopamine hit of all this other stuff that you're doing. So to be successful, selling online, to hack Amazon, to hack eBay, to hack Etsy, all these platforms, what you have to do, and a lot of the Amazon gurus don't talk about this, a lot of the e-commerce teachers and a lot of the Amazon courses, don't talk about this is that you need to have a hit right away. And this is one of the things that makes our course different is that it's a course it's a mastermind, but we also feed you products, we give you the opportunity to purchase products, or all you got to do is buy them, resell them on your Amazon account and make the money why do we do this, we do this so you get a quick when you get that dopamine hit. And that excites you to get back into the process. My little brother who I call him little brother, but he's like six, six. He just started selling on Amazon, he quit his job as a teacher and just started selling on Amazon. And the first thing that he did is he shot over to the local, you know, the dollar store. And he found all these things that are $1 at the dollar store, but sell for 1012 bucks. And he called me up saying that's a 10 or 12-time markup, is it possible to really make that money. And I said, give it a shot. And he did it. And immediately he found out Oh man, I just sold 40 things right? Maybe you didn't make that much you made 400 500 bucks or something profit. That was after all was done. But it was an immediate hit. It was an immediate hit of dopamine, just like you guys are saying. So I think what I'm taking in conclusion to all of this, what I'm learning from Dr. Kelly, and Bart is that we want to do things always where at the end, we close the feedback loop. And if we can't close the feedback loop, we need to hack we need to have a small win. So Bart, if people want to get a hold of you, how can they find you and how can they get ahold of your book? Yeah, I

57:29

just built a website called get Bart's book calm and it's really just a free book. You got the audio version of stuff you could obviously go to audible and buy it I'll take your money I like money, but I also like giving away free things and building our subscriber list. And this up I'm answering Bart Baggett var TBA double g E double T. And of course, it's Bart. baggett.com looks forward to connecting with you. I'm open to also having conversations and seeing what kind of content you want on the podcast and how we can serve you.

Shaahin Cheyene  57:54

Yeah, please reach out to us guys and Dr. Kelly. If somebody wants to find you do they just walk up behind you and say Hey, buddy, or what? What would be the best way to get ahold of you?

58:07

Well, that's one way. The Yeah, they can you can find me at Nola, New Orleans, Louisiana, Nola, acupuncture.net, Nola acupuncture.net. You can find all that on there. And I also like I didn't mention telemedicine. I do keep people regularly meditations and Tai Chi on zoom. And so that's one way they can get me distance and Lifeline technique is over the phone or over zoom also, but primarily, that's where I am. You can find me that way. With my bio, I mentioned this before that goes along with your title, but I call my acupuncture bio hacky puncture. Because it's it's a very modern version of it. I use a lot of electricity. It's very unusual. And so I thought that would go along with your theme know the biohacking puncture. But you can find all that on no acupuncture.net Love it. Love it.

Shaahin Cheyene  59:11

Yeah, super talented guys. I don't know how I've listened to him for an hour now on this podcast. I'm still not sure exactly how he does it. But I think there might be some like magic in there that he may not be telling us about and I think we're gonna have to twist your arm and get you back on for another episode where we can dig a little deeper there. Guys, if you are interested in selling online and creating predictable recurring revenue streams that never fail, reach out to me. I'm happy to talk to you I answer all messages personally. It may take me a little bit to get back to you but I will. My email is in the show notes. You can also get me on Shaheen Shan comm to research my course my online course and mastermind you can go to FB a cellar course calm or just go through Shaheen Shan calm and click on the link for Amazon course. And of course, you can email me get me through Insta, or any of those other channels, and make sure to listen to my other podcast billion how I became king of the thrill pill called guys. This has been a real pleasure, Dr. Kelly, we're both honored to have you onboard again, pleasure highlight of my week as well. And we'll see you guys on the next show where I think we're gonna have another very special guest that you're not going to want to miss.

1:00:33

Alright, have a great night.

1:00:35

Thanks, guys. Thank you so much.

Shaahin Cheyene  1:00:37

Thank you, guys.

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